POTM / LTP Chat

Post by **danielmid** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:32 am

New thread spawned from an idea in the POTM voting thread.

Ideas for new projects to consider, old projects to reconsider, any and all ideas welcome!

Post by **Knightmare** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:35 am

Good call.

Post by **danielmid** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:37 am

Buga's idea, I just jumped on it to feel special!

Post by **Sarge_II** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:40 am

danielmid wrote:Buga's idea, I just jumped on it to feel special!

Always taking things into your own hands. :P

Post by **Buga1** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:42 am

Well lets chat about Septembers vote. What should we pick as our 4 projects for voting?

Rick

Post by **danielmid** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:48 am

My 4 votes are:

ABC@home http://abcathome.com/
Einstein@home http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ (Optimized apps available so I have heard)
Spinhenge@home http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de/
SHA-1 http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/

Post by **Buga1** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:53 am

What apps for those?

Rick

Post by **danielmid** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:58 am

For Einstein? Labbie knows I think, also Sarge too.

Post by **Knightmare** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:29 am

danielmid wrote:My 4 votes are:

ABC@home http://abcathome.com/
Einstein@home http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ (Optimized apps available so I have heard)
Spinhenge@home http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de/
SHA-1 http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/

All those are good choices except for Einstein.

Those work units are so long that only our hardcore crunchers are going to want to run them.

Post by **Bird-Dog** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:44 am

The opt app`s for Einstein are only good for the S5R3 wu`s which have now finished and apart from a few resends there`s no new work. The servers are down at the moment while they change over to S5R4 (which should start early next week) where the opt app`s will be no good and no one seems to know the run time yet.

Post by **danielmid** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:25 am

Okay, well I know SHA-1 and Spinhenge are pretty short and everyone here should be able to run them (I haven't checked Mac compatibility yet, so I dunno about them).

We could always have a linux install challenge and slaughter Milkyway for a month! LOL

Post by **yeababy** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:57 am

well im running Einstein already as the summer project and yep its damm big units taking around 15hrs for the new units they are sending

Post by **Bird-Dog** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:27 am

yeababy wrote:well im running Einstein already as the summer project and yep its damm big units taking around 15hrs for the new units they are sending

New units hav`nt been released yet, you`ll be doing the last of the S5R3. Using the opt app got my crunch time down to around 4.5-5hrs.

Post by **yeababy** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:41 am

its the last one ive got from them at mo so ill just let it run its course

to be honest i might drop Einstein if the new work units are going to be the same or bigger they just take to long for this old box, and jump back on Prime seemed to knock those out easily

Post by **zerocool** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:56 pm

just a totally new idear from the cool camp. no team has ever tryed to my thinking, that is to put all the active projects for the month on vote, and the top five of all active projects,mid month go forward to polling for the end of that month, top voted project from team members.become the potm for next months chrunchin.and on a plus side all projects considered by all that run different os and different power rigs also all apps will come to light when voting in second half of month will also come to be called on. just a idear on a new slant on things

i hope this is not to confusing for anyone,just picked it from my head

Post by **Knightmare** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:27 pm

Ummmm......huh???

Post by **Bird-Dog** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:35 pm

I think I get what ZC is saying but it will be one hell of a job for Buga to link to over 60 projects for a vote

Post by **zerocool** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:48 pm

Knightmare wrote:Ummmm......huh???

to try again split voting active all,till middle of month, top 4 voted in till end, winner potm,chrunchin begins for the next potm, i do see the work thing for buga but i am shure there is a way of quick entry, for buga on potm listings initial start on this is big but once set up can be used a lott of times over,maybe using team stats page.for active projects.

Post by **Knightmare** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:11 pm

zerocool wrote:
Knightmare wrote:Ummmm......huh???
to try again split voting active all,till middle of month, top 4 voted in till end, winner potm,chrunchin begins for the next potm, i do see the work thing for buga but i am shure there is a way of quick entry, for buga on potm listings initial start on this is big but once set up can be used a lott of times over,maybe using team stats page.for active projects.

Ah. I see now. I guess I just wasn't awake enough when I read the original post about this.

The one thing that stands out to me about that idea is that we don't, relatively speaking, getting a whole lot of voter participation for the project of the month.

Not to mention that we have over 50 active projects. That would be a lot of work with relatively little return.

Just a bit of a twist on it....what about taking the lowest ten projects as far as team total credit and putting those up for voting. Then proceed with your idea of taking the top 4 for continued voting until the end of the month. That would give one of the smaller projects a push and help it gain some ground on the team stats.

Of course, the projects chosen from the bottom half of the stats would be dependent on which ones have steady work and the needed apps.

What do you think folks?

Post by **Bird-Dog** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:34 pm

Good idea KM. I had a look around and checked the server status of some of the lower ranking projects, most have no work but I found a few.

AIS
rcn
sztaki
Leiden
uFluids

Seti is the 10th POTM Calm Chaos has had, could even start them all over again.

Post by **Knightmare** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:47 pm

Wow. I didn't realize we had been doing the POTMs for 10 months now...lol

So those five projects have work on a consistent basis??

I had trouble getting work from uFluids when I attached to it with my laptop.

Post by **Bird-Dog** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:00 pm

Knightmare wrote:Wow. I didn't realize we had been doing the POTMs for 10 months now...lol

So those five projects have work on a consistent basis??

I had trouble getting work from uFluids when I attached to it with my laptop.

I just looked at the server status and they all seemed to have plenty of work. I havn`t crunched any of these (apart from AIS, no problems there) for some time so as for acually getting work I`ve no idea

Post by **zerocool** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:20 pm

i totally think you have it km

good look on things here?km
quote:The one thing that stands out to me about that idea is that we don't, relatively speaking, getting a whole lot of voter participation for the project of the month. zero camp hopfully alott will follow due to all stats included to help the team in what may be the next potm for there choice for the month of chrunchin.

Post by **Gavin Shaw** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:59 am

What if for POTM instead of just picking four or five and voting. I had two ideas.

1. We pick four or five projects in which we have a high score (but less than 1 million) and vote for them, with the added goal of seeing if we could get to 1 million during the POTM. For now that would be Cosmo, SHA-1, ABC and Rosetta. Since Cosmo is close already I would drop it and have SHA-1, ABC, Rosetta and Riesel (though it doesn't have work at the moment?) or Malaria.

2. What if we picked either four or five ones which have regular work but we only have a small score? These would be low projects and the goal would be to get their scores up.

Thoughts?

Post by **danielmid** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:17 am

Reisel is down for the foreseeable future. The admin apparently changed jobs last time I heard and no one else had real access.

Rosetta is a RAC killer, so we won't get a whole lot of participation there.

SHA-1 and ABC I have submitted already. Does that make it 2 votes for those projects?

Post by **Knightmare** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:23 am

2. What if we picked either four or five ones which have regular work but we only have a small score? These would be low projects and the goal would be to get their scores up.

This is basically the idea that I had. As long as the projects have steady work, and they don't seem to have server issues all that often, I would enjoy seeing what kind of boost we could give to a project.

DAn is right. Last time we ran Rosetta as POTM, it killed a lot of people's RAC and quite a few dropped out before the end of the month.

Post by **Drogmar** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:32 pm

Nobody has mentioned CPDN. With the current state of global warming I think it's a pretty worthy project, even if the WU's are kinda long.
I know they grant credit at certain points while processing a WU, don't know if any of the science is saved if you fail to complete the whole thing.
The extreme WU length is probably why it hasn't been mentioned but I'll take a chance.

Even if only a handful of people complete a WU or two for the month, it's still a lot of data for the UK Met office to play with. Plus it's pretty cool to watch the globe heating up.

CPDN

Post by **danielmid** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:42 pm

Some of the crunchers here would not finish a WU in a month. I don't have a problem running that one on my quad, but my 2 laptops would take forever, and it would not be worth running them to me.

Maybe we could have a quad competition sometime. I think my fast dual core before the quad finished one in 9 days. Maybe I can beat that...

Post by **Wyrme** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:03 pm

Hmm . . . POTM candidate suggestions -- I haven't any yet -- But in my journey to try to contribute a suggestion I ended up getting a little sidetracked with xml/table creation. It was the mention of Buga1 having to dump the links into a thread/vote list got me curious and the result is this:

If anyone is interested, I squished this:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

into an xml file.

http://www.wyrme.net/motleyfiles/boinc/

I find the tabular format easier to digest and I needed some xml parsing practice.

BUT I think it's incomplete. Is there a better source for active projects than that wiki?

If anyone can use the xml file, great, if not, I'll file the php bits into my sandbox (it was a good exercise . . . ::shrugs:: )

Post by **zerocool** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:14 pm

nice work wyrme

,i have been looking at this here, http://distributedcomputing.info/projects.html

Post by **Wyrme** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:18 pm

ooooh shiny -- I dig the server stats. Definitely bookmarking that!

Post by **zerocool** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:37 pm

thought that will help all here for what is upcoming and new about,feel free to bookmark away if you need any thing please let me know i will allways help where needed and if i can here.,i kinda have a problem with new ones cannot help but attach and try out, that is the way i like chrunchin lol at lott think i am now at over 30 diff projects or so lol

and for km i found this scroll down mid way and click on pic

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_S ... e_Preview/

Post by **Buga1** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:51 am

Wyrme wrote:ooooh shiny -- I dig the server stats. Definitely bookmarking that!

Hey Wyrme, that server stats is also on our team stats page. But the link is kool to. Lots of info there.

Dig the xml. Still slowly trying to learn it. Might have to have you give me some pointers. LOL

Rick

Post by **Dark Angel** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:14 am

Wyrme wrote:Hmm . . . POTM candidate suggestions -- I haven't any yet -- But in my journey to try to contribute a suggestion I ended up getting a little sidetracked with xml/table creation. It was the mention of Buga1 having to dump the links into a thread/vote list got me curious and the result is this:

If anyone is interested, I squished this:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

into an xml file.

http://www.wyrme.net/motleyfiles/boinc/

I find the tabular format easier to digest and I needed some xml parsing practice.

BUT I think it's incomplete. Is there a better source for active projects than that wiki?

If anyone can use the xml file, great, if not, I'll file the php bits into my sandbox (it was a good exercise . . . ::shrugs:: )

Also there are two kinds of Mac's the old Powermacs ie G3, G4, G5 and the Intel Mac's...I have both but not all projects are ported to both processor types.

Post by **Wyrme** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:47 am

@DA -- I decided for this exercise to keep it simple and not split the processor types. For example the Windows column could split into Intel and/or AMD and/or 32 or 64-bit and there were a couple of specific distros of Linux mentioned that I could delineate.
If you think the table is useful, then I will expand it

@Buga1 -- I'm a bit of a fledgling at XML myself, but I'd be more than happy to help you brainstorm/test stuff if you get a hair to work with it. I don't work with it as much as I probably should. I like databases, not these squishy flat text file thingies